@Kerry: yes. My point is that JW say that the lord supper happens on Nisan 14, not his death. As I pointed out, from Nisan 14-16 no mass (meeting) or communion (passing/partaking of bread/wine) should take place.
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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@Kerry: according to scripture Jesus died on “the day of Preparation of the Passover” (John 19:14). - Nisan 14, Passover was on Nisan 15. According to the Synoptic Gospels Jesus died on Friday Nisan 15. The Lords Supper happened around Nisan 11-12.
Once a year after sundown on Nisan 14, Jehovah's Witnesses observe the Lord's Evening Meal (aka the Lord’s Supper). As they quote “do this in remembrance” and partake of communion. From their website: When Jehovah's Witnesses observe the Lord's Evening Meal, only a small fraction of us partake of the bread and wine. This is so they can align the scripture of the preparation under the JW myth that Jesus disciples were unaware what they were preparing for and thought they were getting Passover meal preparations. According to JW theology Jesus then gets convicted and executed the next morning/afternoon, which is an effort to align John with the other gospels, but is impossible to have been accomplished back then.
JW are celebrating the wrong thing on the wrong day and with the wrong people based on a wrong interpretation.
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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!
by Kelley959 inan interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.
so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.
i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.
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Anony Mous
There are many issues with the way the JW calculate things.
TL;DR: Jesus died on Nisan 14 (according to Jewish and Biblical sources) or 15 (according to John), the JW claim that was the day the last supper happened.
First, it is not know when the last meal actually took place. The Bible contains 2 separate stories and the entire timeline of Jesus’ last meal, transfiguration, betrayal, trial, execution and death is not exact or chronological between the stories.
There are religious reasons to have Jesus death happen on Passover or Passover-Seder but you can’t have the 2-3 last days of his life which started with the last meal map onto a single day as the JW claim.
If according to JW tradition, Jesus last supper was on Nisan 14 (Shabbat meal, co-inciding with Passover Seder), he could not have subsequently traveled (as Shabbat had started), kept his disciples awake, been betrayed that morning (Shabbat would apply to Judas and the priests), stood trial the requisite 2 days before the Sanhedrin (Shabbat+2), then (Shabbat +3) stood before Pilate, convicted to carry the cross all the way to Golgotha (which happened apparently during the day), been executed and required the legs broken in order to have the execution end before the same Shabbat/Passover we started with although this is required if JWs seem to interpret that the meal preparations were for Passover-Seder.
There is almost an entire week worth of events happening there, they didn’t have cars to drive from Mount of Olives between Herod’s Palace to the Temple twice and then to Golgotha, those are some big hikes to go back and forth.
Most early Christians would have held (as Catholics still do) that the last supper was a Tuesday or Wednesday although the communion happened a lot more frequently, they likely did not attach any significance to the exact time and date of the last supper, the church still holds to date that communion, mass, Eucharist etc should not happen between Good Friday and Holy Sunday (starting Nisan 14/15 after sundown depending on the story if you held to the Jewish calendar). The JWs however hold both “mass” and the sole communion they have in the year on that date.
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New immigrant in New York State?
by was a new boy in“state agencies have found 4,000 vacant positions in an effort to put illegal immigrants into the state’s workforce, according to a memo by the new york department of civil service, which was approved earlier this month.'.
in the memo, new york officials identified three barriers preventing illegal immigrants from getting those state jobs.
to address these barriers, the civil service department said it would create positions in ‘transitional’ titles with requirements ‘more in line with the candidates’ qualifications.’ in other words, illegal immigrants would be hired into the same positions while, at least temporarily, having the usual qualifications such as english proficiency, proof of education, and previous employment waived for them.”.
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It is not like this is a secret, you can find the clip of the NY Democrat on record saying that they need the immigrants for redistricting purposes. Basically, even if they can’t legally vote, they count in the census towards the population and thus the allocation of seats in Congress, so they need them to maintain Democrats power hold
Just in 2020, 3 seats were taken from Ohio, Alabama and Minnesota due to the counting of illegals in NY and CA and at current rate, it will be 4 to 6 seats in favor of Democrats that will be taken from other states purely due to illegal immigration. With every election coming down to 1 or 2 seats, this is significant. Now Biden alone has permitted approximately 1% of the US population (3M) to be grown by illegal immigrants just last year year (2M apprehensions and known getaways, 50% of that number is estimated unknown), largely in blue districts but supported/paid for by red districts. With the estimated continuous growth in those numbers this year, about 4% of the US population will have been ‘replaced’ by election time under Biden alone, similar numbers were posted by Obama.
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New immigrant in New York State?
by was a new boy in“state agencies have found 4,000 vacant positions in an effort to put illegal immigrants into the state’s workforce, according to a memo by the new york department of civil service, which was approved earlier this month.'.
in the memo, new york officials identified three barriers preventing illegal immigrants from getting those state jobs.
to address these barriers, the civil service department said it would create positions in ‘transitional’ titles with requirements ‘more in line with the candidates’ qualifications.’ in other words, illegal immigrants would be hired into the same positions while, at least temporarily, having the usual qualifications such as english proficiency, proof of education, and previous employment waived for them.”.
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Meanwhile NYS is experiencing one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. And it’s not just 4,000, the goal according to the governor is to expand this pilot project to “solve” the crisis, with NYC alone currently at nearly half a million people (5% of the population). They are basically planning on replacing all expensive, unionized NYS government jobs (starting at 100k/y for sanitation workers) with low wage immigrants happy to work at minimum wage with unpaid overtime.
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Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.
january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.
studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.
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At least Ken Ham has employees and contractors that he has to pay. WTBTS has none of those, but they do calculate the representative value of an employee. So they ‘rent’ a Bethelite, there is an internal charge of $20/h+34% to WTBTS which they can then present to the state as an expense, they then turn around and the Bethelite gets what $100/week?
They do the same for quick-builds and other building projects, the internal costs are insanely overpriced and on the other end, any discounts, interest and credit card points go to the WTBTS rather than the project, they then present that complete price ticket to the local congregations to pony up in “loans” while also applying for any government grants and other discounts they can get.
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Stop the Electric car solar power brainwashing Lies!!
by Witness 007 inford e.v cars lost the company 1.3 billion in three months!
i put 18 solar panels on my house but only get a small rebate $50 a quarter.
bill is $400.
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Note that solar panels, even ín the US are currently heavily subsidized both by China and by the US (no or negative tarrifs on import). Most states also subsidize the installation cost.
Still, it really depends on where you live whether they make sense, even after all the rebates, a decent installation that would cover my house is in the $50k range. My entire house is electrified, my house has had 3 heat pumps with electric heat backup for like 30+ years, 2 electric stove/ovens, 4 fridges/freezers, 2 dishwashers, 2 water heaters, dryer/washer etc. - it is power hungry. I have a 300A service and it’s being maxed out between the two living units. The backup heat alone can consume 100A when it is too cold for the heat pumps to work, they stop being efficient around the freezing point, they stop being able to heat at about +5C for the old ones to about -5C for the one replaced last year.
Still I pay between $50 in summer and $200 in peak winter for energy for 2 ‘families’ (nuclear sourced power is very cheap). A payment plan over the expected lifespan of a solar panel (5-10 years) with sufficiently sized battery pack to provide in the winter months (I’d have to clean snow off my roof daily) is more expensive than that.
And I don’t even have 4-5 EV chargers I will need once my children are old enough to drive, that alone needs another 200A which simply isn’t available. I don’t have a tankless water heater the green nuts would like you to use (this consumes a lot more peak power), I don’t even have a pool, let alone a heated pool.
Even in summer, you need about 20 solar panels with a decent battery and still have grid backup to power my house at night, let alone the 50-100 extra panels and battery if I needed to be off grid and provide sufficient power during winter.
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Conscription FEARS to END? Jehovah's Witnesses in EUROPE?
by raymond frantz inhttps://www.jwupdates.com/post/conscription-fears-across-europe-could-end-jehovah-s-witnesses.
as the clouds of war are gathering fast over the european continent many countries including britain are contemplating a return to conscription and some form of mandatory military service.
considering the fact that the watchtower fought long and hard especially in europe for the right of its believers to abstain from military service it is very interesting to see how this new development will affect the watchtower across europe.
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@Jan: it’s not just he UK. Germany is also considering bringing it back and they did allow for it in legislation from the 2010s. As others pointed out, the Western ideology of appeasement has failed especially as the formation and expansion of the EU weakened Europe to invading ideologies like Islam which will not negotiate, moderate or appease.
The relative peace is going to end at some point and the children of today are too weak and stupid to fight. Ukraine and the unrest in the Balkans is a symptom of the EU being weak to nationalist expansionist ideologies like Russia or China has.
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My parents did not really shun me when I left but I am now breaking their hearts…
by sinboi inif they have shunned me and chase me out of the house when i leave the cult, i would not give a damn.
i can still feel their love and concern for me even now.. though i have moved out voluntarily when i joined the army, i am afraid that the life i am living now will break their hearts.
i am now a bartender in a bar and am cohabiting with a woman.
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Anony Mous
I wouldn’t be too concerned, plenty of parents kind of sidestep the organization’s direction when it comes to children. Given you have been in the army, they probably can guess you’ve been doing things they may not approve of. It sounds like you’re somewhere in Asia, the culture there is different as well and parents are less likely to give up their children in favor of an American cult.
My suggestion is just be honest, let your parents figure out their feelings. If you have at least one parent on your side as it sounds like you do, it will be very difficult for the other parent to follow through, there are natural bonds.
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My grandmother called my mother
by Anony Mous inso, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.
if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.
so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.
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@NotFormer:
Those referred to as “my brothers” are spirit-anointed men and women, who will rule with Christ from heaven. (Rom. 8:16, 17)Likewise, he is not saying that each individual judged to be a sheep must literally feed, clothe, nurse, or visit one of his brothers in prison. Rather, he is illustrating the attitude that the figurative sheep display toward his brothers. He describes the sheep as “righteous” because they recognize that Christ has a group of anointed brothers still on earth, and the sheep loyally support the anointed during these critical last days.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20150315/loyal-to-christs-brothers/
The article even references your KJV translation of brethren.